Carol: Adam Trombly has been a pioneer with new energy. He also has been the Director of Project Earth for the Institute for Advanced Studies at Aspen. He has been one of the most profound influences on scientists of his generation. He worked with Joseph Kahn to design and apply for patents for the Closed Path Homopolar Generator, which is a revolutionary design for super efficient generation of electrical power, and he started Project Earth in 1983. Here is a quote from Adam’s bio on the Project Earth website, written by Mark Schreibner in 1999:

“I ran into Adam next at the largest New Energy Technology conference ever held (even up to this point) in Hanover, Germany in 1987. Paramahamsa Tewari had brought his rather crude facsimile of the Trombly/Kahn generator. The next day, Adam gave one of those lectures with an impact that never seems to leave you.

“Adam continued his research into new energy technologies with colleague David Farnsworth. In June 1989, in New York City, Trombly and Farnsworth physically demonstrated a small solid-state electrical transformer that measurably showed an efficiency of 54:1. Adam then walked down the street to the United Nations to give an address. From the point of view of one who witnessed this event firsthand, I can’t believe the entire world didn’t change as a result. One of the reasons I asked Adam if I could write this piece is because it is now ten* years later and the American people, in particular, have still not gotten the message that there is an entirely new and benign option to the current death spiral of humanity. As the result of ignoring the opportunity that was presented on that day in 1989, the world still suffers under the tyranny of fossil fuels and a global power structure which seems bent on the eradication of all species.”
www.projectearth.com/HTML/EditorialArchive/JG-bio.html

I think Adam has so much to offer to humanity...and if his message got out that we really could transform the planet.... Adam, you gave that magnificent, wonderful speech at the United Nations that should have changed the whole world, and it didn’t, because the American people didn’t hear you. It never seemed to go beyond those, that chamber....

Adam: There are those who thought that talk should have changed the world, which was 19 years ago, June of 1989, and basically, what that was about was, we had just physically demonstrated a technology that produced over 50 times more electrical power than it required. We physically demonstrated this. We hadn’t theoretically proposed it, or held up an empty beaker like Fleischman and Pons’ with cold fusion. We actually physically demonstrated it.

The talk was to an international audience at the United Nations--obviously people from all over the world, representing all the various countries--and I said that we didn’t have to live in a politic of scarcity anymore, that we didn’t have to be subjected to a politic of scarcity anymore. Project Earth is fundamentally about that work. It’s about the work of relieving the people of the Earth from a politic of scarcity for the politic of shared abundance. Now I’m not talking about communism, I’m talking about shared abundance.

I’m talking about how different the world would be if these kind of technologies that have existed now on the Earth for over a century, which we can tap into the Earth’s magnetic field.... We can tap into what we call the zero point vacuum fluctuation background, or the quantum ether. We can tap into these abundant sources of energy that require no fuel, that require no source material, no sun, no wind, and are available wherever you happen to be in space, in the midst of infinity. So they’re always already convenient.

The problem is that even though Nikola Tesla was the first one to demonstrate the existence of these systems of energy over a century ago, and there have been many--not many, really, there have been 10 or so of us--that followed in those footsteps and physically and successfully demonstrated related technologies, the American public and the world public has heard precious little about them. Basically, they have been very actively marginalized. Those of us who have been fortunate enough, on the one hand, to work with these technologies and help invent and develop them have also been subjected to rather harsh treatment sometimes.

Carol: Now weren’t you gagged by the Department of Defense? Didn’t you have a lot of your inventions literally stolen from you?

Adam: I received a gag order in 1983 about two weeks after one of my main mentors, R. Buckminster Fuller, died. So I received a gag order saying that I couldn’t talk about or disclose any aspect of my first invention, which the government had nothing to do with financing. It wasn’t made under government contract.

I actually honored that gag order and didn’t talk about it, and I was fortunate enough to be able to make it through a very difficult period of time, at that time, after Buckminster Fuller died. And without going into the whole story of the details of the difficulties, let’s just say I managed to emerge from it in good shape. And then in 1984 I became an R.J. Reynolds scholar, I received an R.J. Reynolds III Endowment, which basically ensured that Project Earth could go ahead.

So I was gagged relative to my first generator, and then at the same time I was gagged my entire laboratory was stolen.

I never did know, we never did find out who it was that cleaned us out. It was outside of Los Angeles, and it was...the only thing that was left was the tube of working mechanical drawings for that generator, which I had hidden under a suspended ceiling, (laughter) before I left. I just had an intuition.

That was in 1983, so that’s 25 years ago. And I made the wise decision that I had to go full-time into Project Earth at that point. I had been doing Project Earth for some time. I gave my first presentation in 1970 at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, when I was 19 years old; that was my first Project Earth presentation. I decided in 1979 that I had to bring about the manifestation of the first technology, because my agreement with Buckminster Fuller was that I would never present a problem without presenting the solution, if it was at all possible, and that I would always provide tools.

Recognizing that the number-one crisis confronting us all is the energy crisis, which of course is a complete fabrication on the part of the military/industrial complex, and never has existed. There really is no excuse for it, going back to the beginning of the fossil fuel economy. Nikola Tesla had already obviated the need for fossil fuels by 1904, but here we are today, over a century later, choking on the effluent of our fuel.

In 1986 I spent an entire year working with another inventor, named Yull Brown, who conveniently called the Stoichiometric mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gas derived from water “Brown’s Gas,” which people used to make jokes about, but the fact is that it is a remarkable discovery.

The discovery was actually made by a German inventor named Viktor Schauberger during World War II, and he made it for the German government. And then we brought him over to the United States, the OSS brought him to the United States, and basically kept him under lock and key more or less, in the United States. And he redeveloped his implosion generator while he was in US government confinement, under house arrest, and then died.

Of course, we never saw the benefit of that technology or anything else he invented. There’s been a whole list of technologies, seven generations plus of these technologies, that I personally co-invented and that the American public has never had the benefit of using. And there’s plenty more technologies that were invented prior to my work, and there’s other ones that are still being invented today by other inventors. Unfortunately, if they are real, then there is, generally speaking, an extreme kind of treatment.

Carol: People who come up with these technologies... What happens to them?

Adam: Well there’s a pattern. There’s even certain individuals that are involved in that pattern. This doesn’t just happen to be with technologies. It has to do with... I have a friend who’s an Academy Award winning producer, and he was talking to me not long ago about doing this UFO series where all the footage had to have verifiable metadata, so that none of it could be refuted. And then he said, “By the way, do you know so-and-so from NASA?”

And I said “Yes, I know him.”

And he goes, “And how about so-and-so over here at Princeton?”

And I said, “Yes.”

“At Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research?”

And I said, “Yes.” He went through this list of people, and every one of the people he named were people that I know are actively agents for the suppression of these technologies and this information. Unfortunately, one of the reasons why the United States government has been so not forthcoming about so-called unidentified flying objects is because they demonstrate, in their so-called physical reality, technology that basically surpasses anything the American public or the world public has generally been allowed to know about.

They want to put this into some kind of sci-fi context, and make it like a hallucination--and we are so brainwashed.

They’ve been so effective at this. Like the incident in 1997 where well over 100,000 people conservatively in the Phoenix-Scottsdale area--and this actually went all the way up to Prescott where the thing first started--witnessed this phenomenon that “they” finally reduced to the “Phoenix light.”

The United States Air Force did another one of its famous cover-ups, which is very embarrassing for me, because I kind of started out in life as this CIA/US Air Force brat. It’s really a very strange thing that the United States Air Force has been so directly involved in the cover-up of the reality of these technologies, because they basically demonstrate the very real--not just possibilities, but the very real--application of being able to tap into the background field, wherever you are.

That’s basically what you can do, and so there is a very direct linkage between these craft from wherever they are from, and whether they are back-engineered United States versions of flying discs, or whether they are actually alien aircraft that you are seeing, at any given particular moment--make it either one at this point. You basically don’t want to even suggest that you’ve seen it.

Even if 100,000 people say that they’ve seen it, and then the governor of the state of Arizona got on TV and made fun of it--with the little alien rubber-headed guy next to him--and stuff like that.

Only 10 years later a good friend of mine got him to admit that he lied on camera, and we were all really happy that she did that: to get Fife Symington to admit that he lied to the American public about what he’d actually seen.

That gave people in the Phoenix, Scottsdale and Prescott area--Tempe and all the areas where this was seen, and has been seen, on a very frequent basis--some validation. Otherwise it would have had absolutely no press. This is something which should be covered by the news media. This is not just something which happened 10 years or 11 years ago. This is something that continues to happen on a very, very regular basis in that area.

Recently in Texas you had a number of sightings, and the US Air Force came out and lied about them again and said they were just jet fighter aircraft, which is just nonsense.

They are not just jet fighter aircraft. And the American people have an inherent right, since we actually have financed the development of these things, in terms of the ones that we have back-engineered, and we also have the right to know that the United States government has been interacting with these, let’s just say “other forms of life” for some time now. And it’s kind of like the first time I mentioned this on a national radio show was...oh, 24, 25 years ago. And I’ll never forget the person who was interviewing me at the time saying...at a break she said, “Are you really sure you wanted to say that?”

And I said, “Yeah, I am.” I am really sure, because when I found out about this I was so surprised. When I read my father’s journals--which I discovered in my mother’s attic seven years after his death--I was so surprised to find out that there was really such a thing as a flying disc. There really was such a thing as alien cultures. And there really are such things as technologies that can produce energy without pollution.

My father felt it was really strange that these technologies were being reverse-engineered within the government domain in the early ’50s already, and that terrestrial inventors starting with Nikola Tesla had already invented similar technologies, and that these technologies had never been made use of.

Our economy was seized in the early 1900s when the coup d’état, economically speaking, occurred with the formation of the Federal Reserve, which is a private corporation and not a government entity. Then Franklin Delano Roosevelt seized all the gold bullion in the hands of American citizens in 1933, which was the greatest theft in history. He ordered Americans to surrender their gold, and then he gave it to the Federal Reserve! Literally, there has never been a greater theft in history, and FDR has been so lionized. It’s just peculiar, because he stole the gold of the American people.

Carol: But they’ve been stealing regularly since then, just the Savings and Loans and the recent financial scandal; the whole economy is on the verge of tanking right now. But Adam, say a bit more about your dad.

Adam: Well, during World War II my dad was a radar navigator/bombardier on the B-17 Gs. He was the first of his kind... they called them Mickey Men. When you flew on a mission, if you were in his position, you flew in the nose of the aircraft; you flew in the front of the aircraft. You were either standing somewhat behind and to the left of the nose, or you were seated at the bombsight in the front. Then on one of his missions over Germany the lead plane had been shot down, and his plane had become the lead plane; and then the pilot of his craft had been shot and killed, and he was seated at the bombardier’s sight. One reason that I mention this is because they had just dropped their load of bombs, and there was very heavy flak.

There were these white lights that would come and navigate through these squadrons of B-17s sometimes. They were called “foo fighters.” They moved very, very quickly and they were very, very bright. At first they thought they might be some secret German technology. But they didn’t do anything to harm our aircraft. They just did these incredible non-ballistic maneuvers, for example, taking right-hand turns at speeds that were unimaginable back then.

They weren’t anything like the Focker-Wolfe jets, the jets that the Germans had towards the end of the war. They weren’t anything like the Messerschmitts, either.

They were just... they were these lights that came. Right after he dropped this load of bombs, in the midst of this heavy flak, one of these bright lights came with incredible velocity to the nose of his craft. He heard a voice... he heard this voice, which he said was inside his head, say “Harvey jump!”

And he jumped up out of his seat, and at the moment that he jumped up out of his seat (he described this in his journal), as soon as the voice said “Harvey jump!” his entire body responded without hesitation. At that very moment a piece of flak blew up through the tube of the seat that he was sitting in, and came right up through his seat. It would have blown him apart, just at that moment. Simultaneous to this, he received this incredible amount of information from that light that he saw. Things about “why.” He saw that he wasn’t going to die in that war, and that he didn’t ever have to be afraid in any mission again because he wasn’t going to die until after he had got back to the states. He saw certain things about the future of his life very clearly.

When the debriefing began, it was reported that foo fighters had been reported in the squadron. Because of this, they debriefed people more thoroughly when they got back. When they saw these things, they were asked if anything interesting had happened--and my father told them what had happened. He didn’t tell them everything that he had seen, but he told them basically what had happened.

He had--he ended up with by the end of the war--the highest level of clearance you can achieve in the military. He was also one of the most highly decorated officers in the 8th Air Force. My story kind of starts here, and my life sort of restarted, when I found his journals, April the 3rd, 1967, in my mother’s attic. I found this story, which was very much connected with my life because I hadn’t been conceived yet (laughter). So I was really happy that whatever that light was, it had come along and told him to jump at that moment.

After the war he finished up his Masters, and then his Doctorate at Purdue. He was recruited into the Biological Warfare Program, actually by a guy named Frank Olson who was an Air Force friend, a fellow Air Force buddy, and also an alumnus of Purdue.

It was a joint US Air Force/CIA program. Truman had basically engineered the joint program because Vandenberg of the US Air Force wanted to control the anti-alien program, and Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, who was the head of the Central Intelligence Agency, wanted to control it as well. Truman basically made them form a joint project. When Dwight Eisenhower took office, Hillenkoetter ended up leaving and becoming a consultant to the whole process.

He was still involved very intimately in the whole process, but Dulles took over the CIA, and that was the beginning of a catastrophe, a catastrophic process. When I discovered my father’s notes, I discovered that there was this whole other agenda that was happening.

I was planning to go to the Air Force Academy. I had already gotten a letter from Senator Barry Goldwater, Sr. recommending me, because we had friends that were very close to him. I was kind of gung-ho almost, until all of a sudden I discovered that there was this whole other world happening... I was precocious in physics and I had already written... I actually presented my first paper in 1965 when I was 13, to a small group at the University of Chicago. It was about quasi-stellar objects, which were relatively new phenomena back then. When I found my father’s notes and discovered these things existed--these technologies existed that utilized physics that we weren’t being taught about--I was extremely curious and wanted to find out more about that.

But my father, when his friend Frank Olson was murdered.... He and Frank Olson and a group of other scientists were taken to a social occasion outside of Baltimore, in November of 1953, by a gentleman named Sid Gottlieb, who is the guy who actually started a project in the Central Intelligence Agency called MK-ULTRA, which had a lot to do with mind control. (The after-effects of a lot of what Sid Gottlieb did are with us today.) Sid Gottlieb had managed to acquire a bunch of lysergic acid diethylamide-25--LSD, in other words.

My father, and Frank Olson, and a handful of other scientists were given huge doses of LSD in their cocktails, and the rationale, according to my father’s journal, was... he was not told he had been given this drug until he was actually feeling the effects of it, and then Frank actually took him aside and told him “Look, you are not going crazy, you were given a psycho-active drug and it has a temporal window--in other words, you’ll be like this for seven or eight hours and then you’ll start becoming normal again.”

According to my father’s notes, Sid Gottlieb told them that this was to see if this would help them to adapt to exposure to extraterrestrial biological entities, which affected their consciousness directly if they were proximate. Since they were trying to do biological experiments in relationship to such beings, and people had committed suicide because of these changes in consciousness... all sorts of things had happened regarding this. Sid Gottlieb thought this might be a way to help them adapt to altered states of consciousness which everyone who got close to this being experienced, because it was a much more highly evolved being than most human beings are.

This is just a part of the fallout. I remember after Eric Olson and I gave an interview for NPR in New York--I think that was in 2000--I got a letter/e-mail from a guy who worked at Detrick and he talked about how his father had worked at Detrick when Frank and my dad worked there, and how he had kept his mouth shut and so he had retired. This is what the guy said to me in an e-mail, that he had retired with full benefits (laughter). As if this was some sort of accomplishment in life, to be an ass-kissing government scientist, to never raise your voice. My dad raised his voice because he knew his friend had been murdered. He knew Frank had been thrown from the window of a hotel in New York.

Carol: How can you reach people when what you are saying is so beyond their experience? They think you are nuts, you are crazy, they shut down...

Adam: This is always the problem, isn’t it? It really is. Even if you just talk about the technology, in terms of the things that we know, we who have been physically working now for going on 30 years with technologies that produce more electrical power than they use... When we talk about that kind of stuff, people balk because there has been such an amazing job done.... Since the 1940’s we have had this nearly total blackout of the American consciousness about these issues.

Before that we had a blackout of Nikola Tesla. Nikola Tesla invented alternating current electricity. He communicated electrical power without wires in 1886. He made the first Earth amplifier in 1886 as well, which was in Colorado Springs. This was basically a giant Tesla coil--not like the ones you see on TV exactly, because those aren’t really Tesla coils at all...those are toys.

This was an entire building that basically was attuned to the Earth itself and to the resonance of the Earth and amplified the Earth’s magnetic field in such a way that you could actually use it for electrical power.

Yet, though he physically did this, and patented these technologies back in the late 1800s and early 1900s, he was marginalized and anathematized because this wasn’t the direction that certain families wanted to take the economy--the families who run the Federal Reserve, which has now driven the American economy into the toilet, are to some degree the same families who herded us into the fossil fuel economy. There are a lot of good people who are in those families, now don’t get me wrong, just like there’s a lot of good people that you can find just about anywhere. But we have been driven into this narrow definition of reality, which is really quite stupid. It’s not an intelligent approach to reality.

Every atom and molecule... if the universe worked the way they told us, then you couldn’t see anything right in front of you, none of this would even appear to exist. I mean, even the chair is incredible (laughter)!

You know, everything that has appearance in the midst of infinity is incredible, and every single atom and molecule is being the dynamic modification of the field space in which it appears. This is not something that would be alien language to physicists who are truly working in an advanced state of Physics, who are working with advanced Physics. This is something that these gentlemen and ladies readily understand. Every atom and molecule is only being the dynamic modification of the space in which it appears, and you and I are also only being the dynamic modification of the space in which we appear. This is a dynamic process, this is an ongoing process, it’s happening constantly, and it’s a miracle, and it’s a wonder. And if you really begin to understand the Physics of it, then a whole different universe opens up. And it’s a wonderful universe, not a horrible or terrifying universe.

The horrible and terrifying universe, from my perspective, is the one where I get to be rich and you get to be poor--or (laughter) I get to be poor and you get to be rich, or whatever. I get to enjoy abundance and/or you get to enjoy abundance, and the rest don’t. It’s this kind of ridiculous economic stratification, which is an artifact of a primitive form of thinking and is really stupid. It’s not intelligent...it’s very odd to be in this kind of situation.

Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek, and I were talking one day, and we were talking about a show that was in concept at the time--the show was an episode of “Star Trek: The Next Generation.” The working title of this episode was “The Stupids.” This was about a planet that had really stupid beings on it that were still clever enough to attract intelligent alien cultures by sending out distress signals. They would lure more advanced forms of life in, and then they would steal their technologies. I said, “Well, this is a lot like Earth...we know that the Earth looks like that from space (laughter).” Sorry, but it’s true. It does look like that. We have done that. We have acquired technologies that are way beyond anything that I have produced or Nikola Tesla produced from parts unknown.

Carol: Since your speech at the United Nations we have had, I would say, a renaissance of communications technologies. You didn’t have the Project Earth website in the days prior to the internet. Now we have these new ways of communicating, and I know that the corporate media is still bashing taboo topics like ETs, new energy, 9/11 Truth, and trying to marginalize and pigeonhole and separate us....

Adam: They don’t even want the truth about Barack Obama, for God’s sake. I just started saying something on Jack Cafferty.com on his blog today on CNN.com, and it was refused, and I didn’t use any profanity or anything. I just said, “We’re finally getting to see this guy’s true stripes. We’re finally getting to see who this guy really is, and he’s just another corporate marionette, who has a really good rap.” And that’s too bad, because I really had advocated that a lot of people involved in my network--I have a huge network--and I had recommended him to thousands of people.

Carol: Oh dear.

Adam: That was back in 2006, and basically not long after I had done that an article came out in Harper’s Magazine called Barack Obama Inc, and it was the beginning of the breaking of that stride, in terms of my own opinion of Barack. It is interesting to me that the corporate media is so behind him, and that they are so against Hillary Clinton--and yet they want everyone to believe that they are exactly the same. It’s kind of like the whole rap that came down that voting for George Bush was just the same as voting for Al Gore, which of course is patent nonsense...unless there is this thing that we call “Republicrats.” But I don’t want to get off too much on this tangent....

Carol: I want to talk to you a little bit about the elections, too, because we have had a couple of presidential elections blatantly stolen.

Adam: They’ve been stealing elections for a long time. And George Bush’s father would have stolen the election from Bill Clinton if he could have, but that was prevented by a few brave souls, much to the chagrin of Poppy Bush, much to the chagrin of George Bush Sr. The fact is that he lost, and George Bush really went into meltdown when he lost, because he didn’t think it would be possible to lose to this hick from Arkansas.

When Clinton took office I was at the Arkansas Ball, the MTV Ball, at the big gala and all of that stuff, because I was very involved in that whole thing back then. What we witnessed was an incredibly naïve young president, kind of almost with a messianic kind of fervor. Which is why one of the things that freak me out about Barack Obama is he’s taken it to the next level. He says things that are unbelievable at his rallies. (“In the next 20 minutes I want you to have an epiphany; I want a shaft of light to shine down on you from heaven and reveal to you what I am saying....” He actually said that on camera. It isn’t just Jeremy Wright that we should be concerned about.)

The one thing we can say about Clinton is that we never found him using alpha wave entrainment at his rallies, and there is evidence that alpha wave entrainment has been used at Barack Obama’s rallies. I haven’t done the tests myself, personally. But people who I have been in communication with, for some time, have told me...at my recommendation they made measurements.

Alpha entrainment was discovered at Nuremberg Stadium after Hitler had seized power from Hindenburg. Von Hindenburg was removed from power by Hitler. When Albert Speer talked, in his whole confession, about what had happened at Nuremberg Stadium, he said it was the first place that they used alpha entrainment.

It’s based on a process called “frequency following response.” It was discovered by them--the Nazis--that human beings, if they are exposed to a constant alpha wave, or a mixture of waves, depending on what those wave forms are, that they will become entrained, they will enter into a kind of trance-like state, a stupor. If you look at the American people right now...a lot of the people around the world--I travel a lot--and a lot of the people around the world go, “What the heck,” they’ve been saying this a long time, “What the heck is going on with the American people, why are they so stupid? Why are they so unaware of what is going on?”

I try to tell them that not all Americans are unaware of what’s going on and that some people are more resistant to this entrainment than others. We’ve caught the Republicans doing this for years and years, using alpha entrainment in their commercials, stimulating pleasure centers in the brain, making you feel really good about their candidate--and stimulating revulsion areas of the brain when they were putting up a picture of say Al Gore, for example. So this is something what we’ve been involved with watching for a long time.

I’ve actually been using spectrum analyzers for a very long time now. And you can hook a spectrum analyzer up to a signal source, and if you know what wave forms to look for, in a TV signal for example, you can see all kinds of interesting things--like the Lilly wave, invented by Dr. John Lilly when he was working for NIH, the National Institutes for Health, in 1959 when they first started implanting dolphin brains and discovered that they needed to give the dolphin brain a chance to respond. Then they discovered that they could use these same waves on human beings. He was doing work for the Navy at that time, and he got out of that research because he felt so conflicted about what they were doing.

We discovered that this was on the wiring harness of our home in Aspen when he was visiting us in 1990, and he saw this on my spectrum analyzer and he said, “How did that get there?”

So, this kind of entrainment is not just used at Barack Obama rallies, if indeed it is being used there--this is secondhand information on that. On people’s homes, however, this is firsthand information because I’ve done those measurements myself, and this is to keep people in a narcoleptic state. When John Lilly saw this waveform on my spectrum analyzer, when I was powering up my spectrum analyzer early one morning, and he said, “Where is that from?”

And I said, “That is from the electrical power grid.”

And he said, “But I invented that waveform. It’s a mind control waveform.”

And I said, “I had no idea.” I really didn’t know that. I wasn’t familiar with the Lilly wave. I didn’t know that it was a mind control waveform. All I knew was every morning when I turned on my spectrum analyzer, which is hooked up to the power grid (we use the power grid...we use certain aspects of the power grid as an antenna), I looked at it. I would see this waveform and not really cognize what it was about.

But when he told me what it was about, he said, “This is outrageous! They are using your own harness of your house to trigger your water molecules to go into an entrained kind of pattern that will create certain neurochemical responses in the human body.”

This is done all the time now. This is an incredibly sophisticated program, developed over decades. This isn’t something that they just came up with lately; this is something that has been developed over many decades. Every year we have almost exponential increases in the sophistication of technology. We now have computers, which they are working with at NSA, that process a thousand trillion floating point operations a second. That’s called a petaflop.

When you have this kind of computer power behind a broadcast like the HAARP experiment up in Alaska, which is now, by the way, not just in Alaska but also outside of Perth, Australia.... There’s a Southern Hemisphere HAARP down there, which is a joint program between the United States government and the Australian government. And we have Indonesia, which is very strangely placed, but they are trying to put an ionospheric amplifying system in place there too. We have one in northern Scotland that’s been put in place by the government of Great Britain. We have three that are operating again in the former Soviet Union, in Russia--which is where they were invented, by the way. Because the former Soviet Union listened to Nikola Tesla and used a lot of his ideas, they were the first to use a HAARP-like technology.

Actually, when I worked with Yull Brown on the Brown’s Gas project in 1986, he told me some very interesting things. He had been arrested as a Nazi, actually, after World War II, and put into a gulag when they discovered he was a skilled engineer. They put him to work, the Soviets did, and he worked on ELF entrainment in movie theaters, where they would take people watching a romance/comedy and they would feel terrified because they had found waveforms they could use to entrain these people with, to make them feel whatever they wanted them to feel. So it didn’t matter what they were watching. They really could make them feel whatever they wanted them to feel. And basically you can take a whole auditorium full of people and make them really feel like they’ve just seen Jesus Christ, even though the guy could be standing up there talking about chewing gum or repeating some jingo like “Yes, we can.”

This is how absurd it is. If you really look at the transcripts of what Adolf Hitler said at Nuremberg Stadium, what Adolf Hitler said was repetitious, jingoistic, you know...and punctuated by these “Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!” chants in the background.

Just in a very similar manner to a former guest of yours, who used to be a Black Panther, [Larry Pinkney] who pointed out that they are “goose stepping to Barack Obama.” And people who are in the Barack Obama trance train don’t see this objectively. And unfortunately, fellow Democrats then anathematize those of us who do see it objectively. I’m not...I don’t want to call myself a Democrat at this point, but the fact of the matter is we’re anathematized by people we should be allied with.

We should all be allies at this point, and instead.... I just wrote an article that’s published on ProjectEarth.com which is Karl Rove’s Dream. It’s about the fact that Karl Rove in his best moment couldn’t have dreamt up Barack Obama, because Barack Obama has proven to be the most divisive happening in the history of the Democratic Party.

Carol: Hitler believed in Worldview Warfare, and if they had had the technology back then, they certainly would have used it. Somebody said that they called Germany the “Radio Project” because radio had such a huge impact on people at that time. And they called the United States the “Television Project” because television was powerful and had a more profound effect on the American consciousness. People would see a limited part of reality, but a bigger chunk of reality they would totally miss. Television has been psychological warfare directed specifically at the American people for a long time.

Adam: You’re absolutely right.

Carol: Now, you’ve also touched upon the HAARP technologies, and especially these new transmitters that I wasn’t aware of before, in Australia and Indonesia. Where else are they?

Adam: There are three in Russia. The ones in Russia were in existence prior to any of the other ones. They were discovered accidentally by a group of high school students in the United Kingdom who discovered this ELF signal, on a very primitive radio set, and it was called “the woodpecker.” The woodpecker wasn’t the whole signal that was being broadcast by the Russians, at the time, but the Russians knew that they could entrain water molecules with extremely weak signals. Any technical people listening, this is simple: Low-level signals can actually trigger these responses when you know what you are doing, like if you have a copy of someone’s genome--of their DNA for example--you can send a signal encoded on HAARP and trigger a neuro-response in them, from a great distance.

This is something that we discovered in 1994. A colleague of mine called me to the laboratory that we had in Oregon, and I flew out and joined him. He revealed that he had discovered that the HAARP broadcast included the Lilly waves, and it also included these double helix waves that on the spectrum analyzer screen literally looked like chromosomes or DNA molecules. I couldn’t believe my eyes when I was seeing it! We looked at these very, very carefully to see if they had any relationship with the DNA, and in fact there were very specific frequency relationships using the DNA molecule as a wave guide...the primary frequency for that...and then harmonics and subharmonics of that up and down band...

Carol: You were picking up DNA messages? How would that affect human beings?

Adam: Well, that’s the real mystery of the whole thing. It’s like I was so flabbergasted when I saw this, and I was told not to publish, and I was told not to communicate this in any way, shape or form. Immediately I wrote an article about it and published it--and then we got raided by 13 Federal Marshals at our lab. This was in 1984. We got raided 10 days after I published the article, and $23 million was the replacement value of the equipment that was taken in that raid.

When it was finally over, when the Federal Court ordered the equipment to be returned, it had been destroyed. It was the carcasses of the instruments that were returned with broken circuit boards inside, and there was never any remediation. There was never any remediation whatsoever. They never fixed it.

Somebody was very, very, very upset. Even though that wasn’t the excuse that they gave for the raid, somebody was obviously very upset that I had published that article. Because this is getting down to the nitty-gritty of what is going on right now.

When we discovered Democratic candidates...not Hillary, we haven’t discovered Hillary Clinton using this, by the way...but we have discovered that it seems the Obama campaign has been involved in this. It’s like...that’s enough already. We’ve had enough mind control.

This is all coordinated with television and HAARP; it is just one aspect of it. There is also the Ground Wave Transmission System, which is a huge component of this, because when HAARP goes down--and it has gone down for various reasons several times in the last couple of years--the Ground Wave Transmission System has now been made much, much, much more powerful. You can look it up on the internet and there is some good stuff on the net about this, and there is also a lot of stuff that isn’t so good. But it’s all about this frequency following response, because it isn’t just through the auditory response; it’s through auditory, visual, and electromagnetic response that we can basically be somewhat manipulated.

If you are aware of this, however, you can also countermand it. You can also choose not to be subject to it. Like if you are watching TV...

Carol: So that’s why they call us tinfoil hats folk because there are things people do to protect themselves from…

Adam: Well, the tinfoil hat people, unfortunately, aren’t very successful at that, but (laughter)...it’s really more of an act of will than an act of tinfoil hat. This is more a matter of choice. Once you know that the manipulation is possible, you can choose not to be influenced.

I was teaching in Tempe, Arizona, a couple of years ago, and a very brilliant young engineer said, “You know, I love everything you have to say,” ...we were talking about a really broad spectrum of subjects...“except for this issue.” He said, “You reduce your credibility to a shambles when you start talking about alien civilizations, and UFOs, and these technologies associated with them.”

And I said, “So, I guess you didn’t see the giant craft that was several miles across that flew over Phoenix.”

And he said, “No, I didn’t.” And he said, “I have a lot of friends who did, but I didn’t. I was at work and I didn’t see it.”

And I said, “Well, I pray to God you see it. I pray that you actually see something, and it breaks through your moment of inertia, and that you retain it when you see it. What happens with people when they see these things...millions, and millions, and millions, and millions of Americans have seen craft, but they become entrained again. Then they think that they were hallucinating. They think that they must have just dreamt it. Or they say things like.... Somebody who I used to live with said to me...one day she said something really ridiculous after we had seen a craft, not more than 300 feet, maybe not even 200 feet or so, actually directly over our house, moving very, very, very slowly--a very large black wing-shaped aircraft, completely silent, with a gallery of people sitting in the front. This was in San Rafael, California, on Lucas Drive where this happened. And she said, “That’s not an airplane.”

I said, “Obviously, that’s not an airplane.”

The next day when she was making breakfast I came into the kitchen, and she says, “Hey, that sure was a weird airplane we saw yesterday.”

This is what happens with people, this is how profoundly this technology has been developed...that the American people--and not just the American people, but people all over the world--are being subjected to this kind of mind control. It was initially developed in the Soviet Union; before that it was developed in Germany. We can’t say that initially it was developed in the Soviet Union--it was brought into the electrical domain, the electro-magnetic domain more than any other thing else in the Soviet Union.

It wasn’t completely successful in controlling the mind, because the Earth itself is producing...because the Earth is profoundly destabilized electromagnetically, the Earth’s magnetic field is actually degrading right now.

This is in the scientific literature; this isn’t like some far left-wing crazy thing to say. In the most conservative journals--meaning the Geophysical Union Journal, in Nature Journal, in Science Journal of the American Association of the Advancement of Science, in Physical Review--people have talked about the degradation of the dipole moment of the Earth’s magnetic field.

A reversal of the Earth’s magnetic field is imminent, and so these kinds of instabilities in the Earth’s magnetic field make it more difficult for “them,” whoever that is--this paranoid quantity. Unfortunately there are people who are involved in this, who are doing this to other people, and for lack of a better term I’ll just use the “them” word. This is not so successful; otherwise we wouldn’t still be having this conversation.

People watched 9/11 happen and believed somehow that this was an organization--something happened out of the control of the United States government--which was impossible, by the way. And yet people have ignored the facts. People who are actually very bright--commentators like Bill Maher, who is otherwise a very bright guy--become completely stupid about the subject of 9/11. And this is again always traceable back to this kind of mind control that is going on. It’s an ongoing process in our society and in other societies throughout the world.

People are unaware of it, and conveniently kept unaware of it. People are systematically uneducated. We are systematically undereducated. I mean, people get all kinds of degrees and still don’t know anything about reality.

Parents are paying huge amounts of money to send their kids even to very good private schools, and their kids are getting out of these very good private schools with very small subsets of the information that they should have by the time they are leaving these schools.

We need to break the trance. We need to break beyond this. We need to embrace the heart of love and intelligence, creative and real intelligence. I don’t mean like New Age jingoistic intelligence, but really heartfelt intelligence. That is what is needed to bring us through this time.

This is a very narrow gate we need to pass through as a civilization, as a species, and as a planet--and we don’t have any time. There’s no time left. I was calling this an emergency in 1983; I was calling this an emergency in 1980. Now it is a catastrophe that is in the process of happening. There are so many different things that are happening right now. The American people need to seize the day.

The reason that Project Earth was not, for example, going to endorse Barack Obama is because Barack Obama does not know; he doesn’t get it. He is in the back pocket of the nuclear industry, particularly of Exelon Corporation.

(At this point a listener, Robert, called in to the show.)

Robert: I realize that things like Project HAARP were powerful military transmitters emitting radio waves at a certain range of frequencies based on the antenna that they can put the signal into, and it might be in the megawatts or perhaps in the gigawatts of power output. But all the energy ever consumed by mankind--starting with the first bundle of firewood mankind burned, all the way up to what we are using today--is less than one five-hundredth of 1 percent of our daily energy income from the sun. And I find it hard to believe that a few or a couple of transmitters are able to destroy the magnetic fields of the Earth or play havoc with the rotation of this planet.

Adam: You are also projecting, because what you are thinking I am meaning is not what I am saying.

I’m saying the Earth’s magnetic field is destabilized, but I’m not saying it’s been destabilized by HAARP. I’m saying the Earth’s magnetic field is in fact unstable in the first place, and this is the thing that needs to be understood. We have an unstable planet. If you consider the fact that we have fossil remains of our species that are 200,000 years old--196,000 years old or so--and we only have a history that’s 5,000 years, there is something wrong with that picture.

The reason that we have very brief periods of history where we actually still have recorded histories is because the Earth’s magnetic field does reverse itself. We know this from the rock record. This is well-established science, this is not science fiction. And, in fact, right now the dipole moment of the Earth is degrading.

It is not caused by HAARP alone...it is not caused by the grid alone. The Earth’s magnetic field is degrading. The Earth’s magnetic field is degrading in spite of anything else. It degrades because of lunar gravitational stress; it degrades because it’s basically...well, lunar gravitational stress is a huge component of this, as is solar instability, but periodically the inner core and the outer core of the Earth decouple. And the interface, the inner core/outer core interface, goes into a solidus/liquidus transition. We’re at what I call a viscous crisis right now. We’re at a point in the Earth’s history where we are actually exacerbating this.

Robert: Are you implying that mankind’s activities, as puny as they are, are having any effect at all on the magnetic poles or the Earth’s spin?

Adam: Yes, I’m saying that, by virtue...there’s something about mankind’s activities being puny.... It’s a very interesting concept. We have managed to destabilize the climate of our entire planet at this point. OK, this is a well-established fact. We’ve done this by adding this copious spectrum--not just carbon dioxide, but a spectrum of greenhouse gases--to our atmosphere. When you add this copious spectrum of greenhouse gases to the Earth’s atmosphere at the rate we have done this in the last 200 years--since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution--you attenuate the rate at which the solid Earth can dissipate heat into space. Because the Earth’s atmosphere is a heat sink, and beneath that level of the heat sink you have the crust of the Earth--the lithosphere, which is also a heat sink--and then this is all a system that must dissipate its burden of heat into space, in a systematic way.

When you build up greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, one of the things that has not been talked about by many other scientists (I was the first person, as far as I know, to introduce this, at a conference back in 1983)...the idea that by building up greenhouse gases in the atmosphere we are actually backing heat up into the solid Earth. People say, “Oh well, that would take thousands of years.”

Well, it’s a real-time process. What’s been discovered since the time of those objections is that the solid material or the semi-solid material--we call it the mo-ho, Mohovoricic discontinuity--that’s at the base of the lithosphere, right above the asthenosphere, which is at the top of the mantle... This is an admixture actually of mantle material, basaltic material and granitic material from the crust that from time to time, when the Earth gets hot--like it’s getting right now--and there’s increased seismic and volcanic activity involved. When the Earth gets hot, then the underside of the crust begins to melt and mix in with the molten material at the top of the mantle, and this is why we have this seismic discontinuity at the base of the lithosphere. And when this is happening, this goes all the way down.

This doesn’t stop there. This affects everything all the way down to the outer core/inner core interface. This happens semi-periodically, on this planet. Some people thinks it happens as often as every 10,000 years. At this point I’m not so certain about that. The rock record does seem to indicate that there’s a certain periodicity to this. But it happens.

The Earth’s magnetic field does degrade, and all I’m saying is not that we are the primary cause of it but that we are exacerbating an unstable situation, and that’s irresponsible. If you know you have an unstable situation on the planet, you don’t want to exacerbate it. You don’t want to add this incredible experiment to our atmosphere that we have created here. We have created an enormous experiment which is having extreme effects.

By the way, Project Earth, the Institute for Advanced Studies...we were the only small group that forecast accurately 25 years ago the weather patterns we are experiencing today. We were the only group that forecast, for example, increases in tornadic activity and increases in the wind velocities worldwide. Because what doesn’t go up--vertically into space in a dissipative column--goes horizontally out, as wind. Because that is what wind is. Wind is solar power, and it is solar power that instead of going into space is being deflected into the troposphere of the Earth, in these incredibly increasing violent winds that are commonly now over 60 miles an hour. And tornadoes are hitting in downtown Atlanta and other places. These events are shocking people.

Robert: Hold on. I want a scientific explanation, since mankind’s total energy usage is one five-hundred-thousandth of 1 percent of our daily energy income from the sun, and since it is the increased temperature of the sun that has increased in the last 50 years. I still want an explanation of how mankind has caused this recent warming trend, when in fact all the planets are warming up, and it appears to me that the sun has all of the input here and mankind is literally a spectator--even though there are six or seven billion of us watching.

Adam: Well, you know this is a very interesting thing because...what you are talking about in terms of what you’re calling science, I don’t call science. And I have to be very blunt about that. What’s interesting to me about this is that this is the Bush Administration’s basic shtick--this is their shtick. This is what they would really like everyone to believe.

Over 25 years ago we predicted very specifically what was going to be happening in the Earth’s atmosphere because of the buildup of greenhouse gases, and those models have held true. Nobody else forecast this, by the way. Nobody else forecast the increase in wind velocities. No one else forecast the increase in tornadic activity. Nobody else forecast the increase in hurricane activity and the severity of hurricanes. We said--I said personally in lectures I gave in 1983, ’84, ’85--that we would within 20 years start seeing new forms of weather phenomena and that they wouldn’t know what to call them. Like now we have tornadoes that are 2 and 3 miles across, and people have a very difficult time calling them tornadoes anymore, because you have a huge vortex with a 300 mile an hour sheerwall.

The caller suggests that is all due to increased solar output, and in fact, in terms of photometrics and charting photometrics over the years, there is indication of greater instability of solar output and there are indications of some moments when the sun actually flashes like on the SOHO program (Solar and Heliospheric Observatory) which we’ve been observing with for a long time.

I was involved in the Clinton Administration, and we’ve been observing the sun now for well over a decade, and we’ve been able to see a whole solar cycle. And we’ve been seeing that the sun in fact has some very interesting things going on with it morphologically--but net/net it isn’t getting brighter. It’s actually fluctuating more, it’s more unstable, and so there are times when it could cool, and there are times when it could heat. But in fact what we’re doing to the atmosphere has been very predictable for some time.

We have very specifically predicted the consequences of our actions, and they are happening, and this is a problem. This is a problem even in a legal case sense, because we have documentation that these things were predicted 25 years ago that are happening now, and this is not having any solar variability taken into account whatsoever, OK. And so just with a normal amount of solar insolation--what we call in science the amount of sunlight coming into the Earth’s atmosphere--just with a normal amount of insolation, with the buildup of greenhouse gases, these effects would be seen, and that’s what we have seen.

So this is why we are saying that this is exacerbating the dissipative ability of the Earth to actually dissipate its burden of heat into space. This causes planetary instability. It isn’t the only cause; we have all kinds of things that are undermining our planetary stability before we ever touch the system, and for us to act in such an irresponsible way in an unstable planetary system like we have in the Earth-Moon system, it’s beyond belief. It’s not intelligent. We aren’t acting like intelligent species right now. We’re acting like a rather stupid species, as a matter of fact. We’re acting like a very uninformed and uneducated species. And what we’ve offered for a long time, all the time that I’ve been doing this work--I have first offered solutions.

And other people before me--Tesla, Hubbard, and Edwin Gray--people who were brought into the government domain and never heard from again. Edwin Gray was a friend of mine who eventually was assassinated. And Edwin Gray was one of my heroes, because he had actually created an amazing motor-generator set back in the late 60s and the early 70s, which he patented and got some publicity for in California. He was brought into the government domain, ended up making cold bazookas for the government; I mean that was one of the things he made--magnetic bazookas. I actually saw one in operation.... What a strange thing to do with his talents, when he could have solved the world’s energy problems with just his technologies, not even including anybody else’s. OK?

The American people deserve to know that there are solutions that are beyond the variable solar and wind phenomena. Solar and wind are great, by the way. We have at the installation I’m standing at--for the Institute for Advanced Studies on Maui--we have 60 solar panels at this installation. The reason for that is because when our lights are on when everyone else’s lights are out, I want people to know who fly in their helicopters over here quite frequently, on a daily basis, that our lights are on because we have 60 solar panels, and that we’re not running on Zero Point Vacuum Technology here--because every time I get one of these things going we get raided and then we get our lab cleaned out. Like I said, the last time it cost...it was a replacement cost of 23 million dollars, and you don’t notice any of these great concerned industrialists stepping up to the plate. I personally didn’t have 23 million dollars that I could come up with out of my back pocket to replace all of that stuff. So we never did replace all that stuff.

What we need is a worldwide effort, a joint effort of all the governments of the world, all the sane governments of the world, at least--if there are such things. We need a joint effort, a joint rapid development and deployment effort for Zero Point Vacuum Fluctuation-based technologies and a transitional technology called hydro-oxy, which we worked on...Yull Brown and I worked on together in the mid-80s. Stanley Meyers, who was assassinated unfortunately several years ago, had an incredible breakthrough in terms of the efficiency of his electrolysis process: He was actually able to adapt a normal car engine to hydro-oxy power. A gallon of water in a normal six-cylinder engine would get you about 300 miles in this system. That’s a fact--I mean a physically demonstrated fact. We were shut down in 1987, and Stanley Meyers was assassinated. So, you know, we basically have all kinds of things that can be done.

The United States government knows about these things. The Russian government knows about these things. I know that for a fact. The German government knows. I started lecturing in Germany in 1980. There are all kinds of governments in the world who are aware of these things already. There are really incredible solutions available to us, as a species, by which we can heal the Earth instead of destroying it, by which we can take into account these kinds of variables which exist in our background--like whatever solar variables there are, the fact that we live on an unstable planet.

Nikola Tesla had a plan for stabilizing the planet. Somehow or another his intuition was great enough that he intuited that we had an unstable planet, and he actually designed a system of towers which would basically help stabilize the Earth’s magnetic field and simultaneously provide all the power we could possibly ever need, for all of our needs, on this entire planet. Regarding that matrix of towers, in 1904 Nikola Tesla said, “We can create a network, whereby pictures, sound, and all kinds of information are simultaneously communicated without wires and at the same time also provide for all the energy needs of Earth.”

James Pierpont Morgan was the guy who was financing his work at that point, and J.P. Morgan pulled the plug on him when he was confronted by the heads of several very powerful, fossil-fuel industry families and people who were exploiting the mineral resources of our planet. They said, What the hell are you doing? We have oil. We’re seizing the economy. We’re going to run the show.

The New York Times ended up writing an article about the first tower, that was built on Long Island. They called it Tesla’s Folly and failed to acknowledge the fact that Tesla had been promised a quarter of a million dollars to finish the project by James Pierpont Morgan and was only given $108,000. Even though he was only given $108,000, the local residents on Long Island, near Montauk, said that the light show that he put on, the electrical discharge display that he put on with what he had already built--with a 170 foot tower, a copper rod 170 feet into the ground, and a copper circle 340 feet in diameter.... Basically, he created a spherical resonant domain on the crust of the Earth, inductively coupled into the Earth’s resonant magnetic field and amplifying that magnetic field and creating useful power with it. This is something we could do today. This is something the United States government could definitely do today at a fraction of the cost of fighting this stupid war in Iraq. But these guys who have criminally seized control of our government won’t do it. Even the guys who we think are good guys won’t do it, because they are afraid for their lives.

Adam Trombly will continue this conversation on March 24th, 2008 on Questioning War-Organizing Resistance